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What does a studio visit actually look like for you? Walk us through the moment you decide an artist is someone you want to work with, what you’re looking at, what you’re listening for, what you’re not telling them.

For me, studio visits are the backbone of a curatorial practice. I like to keep it super casual. Have a bit of a wander, try and find the works the artist might be hiding for whatever reason, and really just open up the conversation. Get to know them, understand their work further and really engage. In terms of a ‘moment’, for me it is all about passion. If an artist has an infectious energy for their work, and that doesn’t mean loud or necessarily extroverted, I feed on that. There’s something too about artists who are so devoted to their artistic life. To me that is both admirable and endearing. There’s that strange parallel between investing in a stock, whereby many people will look at the CEO rather than the performance of the company, weird analogy I know…I like to look at the artist themselves, as much as the work. Sometimes the work hasn’t yet caught up to where the artist is or is going. I love to watch that come to life.

 

The show brings together painting, sculpture, and photography in the same room. Why those three media, and what does each one do for the exhibition that the others can’t?

Curating is all about storytelling and by using these different forms of media, I can add depth to this story. What I also like about different media is that people are either more or less comfortable with it. For example, some people find their way into paintings easier than sculpture. By presenting these ‘challenges’ for the viewer, it engages their brain in a more holistic way. Sometimes knocking them off guard, encouraging them to perceive things differently. I also like presenting exhibitions that are not always easy to ‘understand’. That requires a degree of viewer ‘investment’ to really appreciate them. Making them work for it in a way. 

Take us inside one work in this show. Pick the piece you keep coming back to, and tell us what it does technically, what it does emotionally, and why you couldn’t leave it out.

Impossible question! With so few works, each is vital to the overall show and without them, there would be a gap. That being said, I think Lisa Jahovic’s work ‘Womb’ holds a unique position in the exhibition, being both sculptural and photographic. There is this sense of expansion and expression within the work, while constantly being confronted by the obvious ‘trapping’. It speaks to this notion of personal expression within certain confines. How we try and maintain our individuality in a world that only allows so much. I think this work is extremely poignant. The presence of the chair also represents this kind of fixed familiar structure. An everyday item that contains so much ‘use’ but concurrently provides only so much ‘wiggle room’. A seriously impactful work that I suspect many viewers will get lost in.

You’re a collector as well as a curator, which is a rare combination. Most curators work without ever having lived with art on their own walls. What does collecting teach you about curating that you couldn’t learn any other way?

To me, collecting is a privilege. All of what I do comes from a desire to support and champion the next generation of artists. Collecting is one way of doing this. Additionally one of the major learnings is the recognition of a work’s ability to change its meaning or its context depending on placement, mood, time of day etc. This understanding then informs my curatorial practice. By living with artworks, I am constantly in awe of how they reveal themselves over time. This is something I try to bring into my exhibitions. Encouraging slow looking.

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The exhibition text is essentially a thesis: that the human condition is now defined by constant elastic negotiation between structures that constrain us and impulses that seek to set us free. As a curator, why is that worth making a show about? What does putting it on a wall do that an essay can’t?

Awareness is the beginning of change. Understanding our own personal environments and the subtle forces that shape them is critically important. I hope that by bringing this idea to life, visitors are afforded an opportunity to explore this idea at their own pace, walking away from the exhibition with a renewed awareness and hopefully an idea or two that they can take into their own sense of being. There is also a freedom that comes from the knowledge that these feelings, that at times can be so personal, are actually shared. This then encourages individuals to reach out, discuss and ultimately find space within these ‘structures’. Funnily enough, they are structures that we can substantially dissolve with the right kind of action, perspective and conditions.

What’s a recent show, by another curator, that genuinely changed how you think about your own practice? What did it do that you wish you’d done?

Ooh I’d have to say the Brancusi exhibition at Neue National in Berlin. Curated by Klaus Biesenbach, the exhibition is a major retrospective of Romanian artist Constantin Brancusi’s sculptural, painting and photographic works. For me, the layout was spot on. They created these podiums for the works to sit on which only allowed you to get so close. It created this massive desire to lean in as close as possible but at the same time allowing them room to breathe. A great example of how restriction added viewing value. It may or may not have also had something to do with the value of the works…

Looking five or ten years ahead, what do you think the art world looks like, and where do you want to be inside it? What needs to change for contemporary art to keep mattering?

For me, as well as bridging regions, I want to bring industries. My major issue with the art world is its isolation from the rest of society. To me this involves finding ways to engage the public further, breaking down some of these walls, while keeping some intact and engaging across industries. I’m currently focusing on real estate. How can we make real estate, which makes up a significant portion of public space, more art focused. Instigating more engagement, more conversation and enriching every day people’s lives. I was, almost spiritually, moved by Brancusi’s sculptures. I would love for more people to experience that.